{"id":11219,"date":"2021-02-03T17:44:21","date_gmt":"2021-02-04T01:44:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/?p=11219"},"modified":"2021-02-09T16:54:29","modified_gmt":"2021-02-10T00:54:29","slug":"links-and-comments-changing-minds-gop-economics-liars-taxonomy-of-trump-supporters","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/2021\/02\/03\/links-and-comments-changing-minds-gop-economics-liars-taxonomy-of-trump-supporters\/","title":{"rendered":"Links and Comments: Changing Minds; GOP Economics; Liars; Taxonomy of Trump Supporters"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Items from NYT (Adam Grant); NYT (David Leonhardt); Slate (William Saletan); The Week, NYT, and Salon about Trump and the GOP; and NYT (Michelle Goldberg).<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>NYT: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2021\/01\/31\/opinion\/change-someones-mind.html\">The Science of Reasoning With Unreasonable People<\/a>, subtitled &#8220;Don\u2019t try to change someone else\u2019s mind. Instead, help them find their own motivation to change.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>By Adam Grant, author of just-published-yesterday book <b><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Think-Again-Power-Knowing-What\/dp\/1984878107\/\">Think Again<\/a><\/b> (which I bought and is sitting in my TBR stack).<\/p>\n<p>One of the things I&#8217;ve changed my mind about, over the past decade, is on this very point. I thought you could patiently explain facts and reasoning to someone (what&#8217;s called *education*) and expect them to believe and accept the rational conclusion &#8212; even if it meant their changing their minds away from some belief they had acquired by intuition, or through traditional belief of their church or tribe. The revelation of reality. And yet, all the evidence is against this. If anything, people double-down on their irrational beliefs. So I no longer think this.<\/p>\n<p>At the same time, I wonder if the idea that you can&#8217;t change people&#8217;s minds with evidence and reason deeply patronizing? As if to say, Don&#8217;t worry your pretty little head about it?<\/p>\n<p>This aligns with the thoughts of some atheists that people should not be disabused of their faith, because of the social bonding effect, the psychological comforting, and so on. That they can&#8217;t handle the truth; let them have their fantasies. And other atheists think exposing the truth is worth the effort. (My own take has wavered; my current stance is that understanding of reality, of the cultural contingency of religious faith, is a private project, not a social one. Which is reflected in my comments about Arthur C. Clarke&#8217;s visions, in his 1950s novels, of a secular future.)<\/p>\n<p>Grant:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nWhen we try to change a person\u2019s mind, our first impulse is to preach about why we\u2019re right and prosecute them for being wrong. Yet <a class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" href=\"https:\/\/psycnet.apa.org\/fulltext\/2018-03974-001.html\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">experiments<\/a> show that preaching and prosecuting <a class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" href=\"https:\/\/pediatrics.aappublications.org\/content\/133\/4\/e835.short?casa_token=IMTxX4I5A7QAAAAA:ExQNLbSzop3GMd0yYaVCgXbnz2UYrwvGzreAL2Wt0UnEyOeDcZIMYGuPGcHonU02umPPwppjyion\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">typically<\/a> <a class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" href=\"https:\/\/psycnet.apa.org\/record\/2012-06398-001?casa_token=URwKqk3bZ4gAAAAA:e-hwoeVvodHO0PTXp6ChulzFg-EgTYsjOo4tuKmdg87b3OGFq2OZZE3ZZC0ncRqRJnjk5ytejjwADwqGmIlb4Q\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">backfire<\/a> \u2014 and what doesn\u2019t sway people may <a class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" href=\"https:\/\/psycnet.apa.org\/record\/2002-08203-005\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">strengthen<\/a> their beliefs. Much as a vaccine inoculates the physical immune system against a virus, the act of resistance fortifies the <a class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedirect.com\/science\/article\/pii\/S0065260108600520\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">psychological immune system<\/a>. Refuting a point of view <a class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" href=\"https:\/\/nca.tandfonline.com\/doi\/abs\/10.1080\/03637751003758193#.Xrwu4Xvas2w\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">produces<\/a> antibodies against future attempts at influence, making people more certain of their own opinions and more ready to rebut alternatives.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As with most things, subtler and more complex methods can achieve some progress.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nPsychologists find that when we <a class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" href=\"https:\/\/journals.sagepub.com\/doi\/full\/10.1177\/0146167217747874\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">listen carefully<\/a> and call attention to the <a class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" href=\"https:\/\/onlinelibrary.wiley.com\/doi\/full\/10.1111\/ncmr.12192\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">nuances<\/a> in people\u2019s own thinking, they become less extreme and more open in their views. I wondered how my friend\u2019s ambivalence applied to Covid, and I knew that the kinds of questions I asked would matter. Social scientists have found that <a class=\"css-1g7m0tk\" href=\"https:\/\/journals.sagepub.com\/doi\/full\/10.1177\/0956797612464058?casa_token=cefd_5VQuooAAAAA%3AncFeYFAiwWY4DfmdD2jZeGQfv2qymipAyzWhH3-BleGod6oqR6kIRp7-7RSCgLzgzsmFhT1UWGBP\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">asking<\/a> people <em class=\"css-2fg4z9 e1gzwzxm0\">how<\/em> their preferred political policies might work in practice, rather than asking <em class=\"css-2fg4z9 e1gzwzxm0\">why<\/em> they favor those approaches, was more effective in opening their minds. As people struggled to explain their ideal tax legislation or health care plan, they grasped the complexity of the problem and recognized gaps in their knowledge.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\\\\<\/p>\n<p>Again, looking at the evidence. NYT: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2021\/02\/02\/opinion\/sunday\/democrats-economy.html\">Why Are Republican Presidents So Bad for the Economy?<\/a>, subtitled &#8220;G.D.P., jobs and other indicators have all risen faster under Democrats for nearly the past century.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>My take: because conservatives\/Republicans are vested by the wealthy, who promulgate the &#8216;trickle-down&#8217; economic myth, that folks like Paul Krugman tirelessly point out isn&#8217;t true, doesn&#8217;t work.<\/p>\n<p>With graphs. Data. What are the theories about why this is true? It&#8217;s not about congressional control; it&#8217;s not about deficit spending (Republicans have been running up larger deficits than Democrats, for four decades). <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nThat leaves one broad possibility with a good amount of supporting evidence: Democrats have been more willing to heed economic and historical lessons about what policies actually strengthen the economy, while Republicans have often clung to theories that they want to believe \u2014 like the supposedly magical power of tax cuts and deregulation. Democrats, in short, have been more pragmatic.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Which was already my understanding.<\/p>\n<p>\\\\<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s tiresome seeming to continually harp on conservatives and Republicans. OK then:<\/p>\n<p>Slate, William Saletan: <a href=\"https:\/\/slate.com\/news-and-politics\/2021\/01\/trump-enemy-republicans-facts-lies.html\">The Enemy Isn\u2019t Republicans. It\u2019s Liars.<\/a>, subtitled &#8220;The case for a broad, fact-based alliance against fabrications.&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nOver the years, I\u2019ve bounced around the political spectrum. I was liberal in Texas, more conservative in college, and now I\u2019m somewhere in the middle. Through it all, I saw politics as a fight between left and right. I don\u2019t see it that way anymore. Donald Trump\u2019s presidency has exposed a bigger threat: an all-out attack on the principle that facts must be respected. We used to take that principle for granted; now we must defend it. Politics has become a fight between those who are willing to respect evidence and those who aren\u2019t.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Passing over condemnation of Trump.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nProgressives and conservatives have always quarreled about what\u2019s true. But to make those debates productive, and to correct our country\u2019s mistakes\u2014failed projects, na\u00efve policies, bad wars\u2014we need a common standard for judging truth. That standard can\u2019t be the Bible or identity politics. It has to be the standard we apply in daily life: evidence. If you say the election was stolen, you have to prove it in court. If you accuse a police officer of murder, your story has to withstand investigation.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s how science works. While politicians stage stupid, interminable fights over wearing masks, scientists have quickly devised vaccines from genomes posted on the internet. Science has cured diseases, rolled back infant mortality, extended healthy lifespans, broadened access to information, and developed new energy technologies.<\/p>\n<p>Why is science so effective? Because it constantly tests its theories against reality. It seeks out, accepts, and learns from falsification. That\u2019s what Vice President Kamala Harris, in remarks last week, said she had learned from her mother, an endocrinologist: \u201cShe instilled in me a fundamental belief in the importance of collecting and analyzing data, facts, of forming a hypothesis, and recognizing that it\u2019s not a failure to reevaluate that hypothesis when the facts don\u2019t add up.\u201d In science, discovering you were wrong isn\u2019t failure. It\u2019s progress.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It&#8217;s about science, the scientific attitude toward assessing reality.<\/p>\n<p>\\\\<\/p>\n<p>And yet, the GOP embraces those who tell fantastic, implausible lies.<\/p>\n<p>The Week: <a href=\"https:\/\/theweek.com\/articles\/964209\/gops-dismaying-embrace-fringe-politicians\">The GOP&#8217;s dismaying embrace of fringe politicians<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>NYT: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2021\/02\/03\/opinion\/qanon-conspiracy-theories.html\">The QAnon Delusion Has Not Loosened Its Grip<\/a>, subtitled &#8220;Millions of Americans continue to actively participate in multiple conspiracy theories. Why?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Salon: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.salon.com\/2021\/02\/03\/why-do-70-million-americans--and-many-members-of-congress--still-follow-trump\/\">Why do 70 million Americans \u2014 and many members of Congress \u2014 still follow Trump?<\/a>, subtitled &#8220;Trump&#8217;s mass of followers is a huge problem for America \u2014 but they&#8217;re not all the same. This taxonomy should help&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Six groups, about which I will quote one. The six:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li> &#8220;All-in&#8221; isolationists, ultra-nationalists, white supremacists, racists and insurrectionists<\/li>\n<li> Opportunists and political chameleons<\/li>\n<li> Narrow-minded, limited information input and vulnerable to cultism<\/li>\n<li> Voting with their pocketbook<\/li>\n<li> Hold your nose and vote Republican<\/li>\n<li> But he and I are Christians!<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>About the third:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nThis group of followers is either actively or passively limited in the information that they receive through on-air and online media outlets. As a result of their &#8220;soda straw&#8221; approach to Republicanism, conservatism or Trumpism, they are simply not exposed to the damning evidence that exists to show Trump and the GOP&#8217;s unethical, immoral and likely criminal behavior. This is the consumer of a steady diet of right-wing sources such as Fox News, OANN and Newsmax. One cannot discuss this group without referring to the concept of shared omnipotence, a cult leader tactic by which followers are repeatedly told that the leader will take them to a &#8220;promised land&#8221; (e.g., a place of increased wealth, no immigrants or people of color, world superiority or dominance, protection from death) and if they don&#8217;t follow, the result is certain doom.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It&#8217;s useful to keep the second one in mind, which also applies to conspiracy theorists. In the sense that, they don&#8217;t really *believe* what they&#8217;re promoting; they promote wacky theories to make money, or just for fun. (There was an article I didn&#8217;t capture about some guy being sued whose defense was &#8220;I have a first amendment right to spread lies on the internet.&#8221; Yes he said it that way. I suppose he probably does. Some of these promulgaters of conspiracy theories are just *playing you*.<\/p>\n<p>\\\\<\/p>\n<p>And the problem is, Republicans have jumped the shark.<\/p>\n<p>NYT: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2021\/02\/01\/opinion\/marjorie-taylor-greene-gop.html\">It\u2019s Marjorie Taylor Greene\u2019s Party Now<\/a>, subtitled &#8220;She embarrasses some Republicans, but she\u2019s no outlier.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>This passage caught my attention.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nIf you\u2019re steeped in creationism and believe that elites are lying to you about the origins of life on earth, it\u2019s not a stretch to believe they\u2019re lying to you about a life-threatening virus. If what you know of history is the revisionist version of the Christian right, in which God deeded America to the faithful, then pluralism will feel like the theft of your birthright. If you believe that the last Democratic president was illegitimate, as Trump and other birthers claimed, then it\u2019s not hard to believe that dark forces would foist another unconstitutional leader on the country.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Items from NYT (Adam Grant); NYT (David Leonhardt); Slate (William Saletan); The Week, NYT, and Salon about Trump and the GOP; and NYT (Michelle Goldberg).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[54,20],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11219","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics","category-psychology"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11219","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11219"}],"version-history":[{"count":11,"href":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11219\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11325,"href":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11219\/revisions\/11325"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11219"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11219"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.markrkelly.com\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11219"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}